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Post by Sir Games-A-Lot » Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:14 pm

I'm (to my great displeasure) forced to take a 9th grade Civics, due to the fact that Maine (the location of the brick and mortar offices of my old correspondence school) does not require that credit for graduation but CT does.

Any way, since the course is very basic and is done pretty much exclusively done as home work, the teacher (who thank goodness is an extremely intelligent man who also teaches 12th grade Current Events and used to be the principle of the school many years back), simply uses the class time answer questions the students have about current events. The problem with this? The rest of the class has figured out if they can field a question that requires a long answer or provokes extended discussion, then their homework won't be checked closely and they won't won't be verbally quizzed about the material they were supposed to read. This leads to an endless string unintelligent questions about "controversial" topics they think will get them out of having to do any real work (two particularly popular ones are "has Bin Laden released another tape?" and "How close are we to catching him").


On a slightly different note, my teacher for Honors Computer Applications (AKA Micro$oft Offi¢e For Idiots) basically hates the curriculum so we get to do it how ever we want so long as we submit progress reports with screen captures and completed projects every so often. The irony here? Since nobody ever really cares or notices what I'm doing, all my progress reports are composed using AbiWord :P
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Post by Ecksem Diem » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:16 pm

vskid wrote:A kid in my world civ class last year didn't know that we (the US) fought against the Nazis in World War II. I knew he wasn't the smartest (he takes honors classes and that, though), but this just embedded in my mind that he must have had his head repeatedly slammed against the floor as a baby. Anyone that has ever played a shooter has a 50% chance of knowing that the US fought the Nazis, since about 50% of the shooters ever made are about WWII.
That's not surprising. A poll from not long ago showed that something like sixty percent of all Americans think we were on the side of the Germans in World War II. Whether or not those Americans associate the Germans in World War II with Nazis, however, I can't say.
benol wrote:We just happen to have more history than the rest of the world, and we are one of the few countries that earned their freedom, instead of just receiving it.
:roll: That's a little much. The only country that I can really say didn't "earn" its freedom so much as it did come into its own on the subject is England, and what pages in history books they lack due to an absence of violent large-scale internal conflicts they make up for in imperialism and being revolted against. (Note: Were you being sarcastic? Your other comments seem to make me think you were, yet this comment itself doesn't reek of the sweet, savory, Cajun-style sarcasm I've come to be so familiar with on the internets.) (Edit: Based on a similar commentary in another thread, I would guess not. I suppose Canada didn't really have to fight for much. But otherwise, the idea that only a few countries have fought for their way of life is totally askew.)
bicostp wrote:We hardly learn about the history of our own country, or at least the 20'th century. Every year we start at the pilgrims, then we hit the revolutionary war, then a couple chapters later we hit the Civil War, then BOOM summer vacation. <img src="http://www.skytroniks.com/images/databa ... es/wtf.gif"> Every. Stinkin'. Year. Kids of the future will remember the colonies, but the Korean war, the Watergate scandal, the first gulf war, Vietnam, and the beginnings of the trade embargo with Cuba will be long forgotten. (Well maybe except Cuba... if you watch old "I Love Lucy" episodes, they sometimes talk about a Cuban vacation.)

Fun fact: I learned more about history from The History Channel than I did from history class.
Why would they teach you about things from the twentieth century, let alone the latter half of it? That would be directly relevant to your life, and would potentially allow you to notice that the only people that our electoral system will allow you to vote for are representative of the interests of whatever multi-billion dollar companies they've worked for in the past (this rant is technically apolitical (assuming you don't use the technical definition of "apolitical")!).

I have far too many examples of classroom ignorance to really cite any specific one that stands out amongst the others (this is largely a product of a disgustingly congested school system in New York City), sans a girl I took a number of classes once asking me if "that Titanic thing like from the movie was real" (which is like an existential freaking stress test, when you consider that it's a movie about a fictional story that takes place during a non-fictional event, but that's not what was confusing her), but I can comment on a couple of things that I think would fall under a catagory better described as "exercising personal opinions over the students on the part of the teacher" or "poor ethics" or, more abstractly, "ignorance in the classroom". For example, I had one teacher who gave a current events assignment that pertained to an inmate on death row being executed, and he basically informed the class that he had no respect for anyone who opposed the death penalty and, as such, would fail them. Half the class failed (I presume ten to twenty percent of the class was failed due to not turning in their assignments). Another classic incident was a teacher I had in third grade who, upon seeing me use the "rabbit ears" technique to tie my shoes as opposed to the "loop, swoop, and pull" technique, announced to the class that I tied my shoes "like a three year old". Uninteresting side note, I use both techniques these days, picking one based on how out of whack the length of either end of my laces are.

Finally, the incident that sticks out to me the most is my ninth grade biology class. We had a class filled with clowns, and as such, they liked to sit in the back and flick little paper balls at people. I, being the nearest person to the them, got the most paper balls flung at me, and my crack biology teacher deemed that I must be the one flinging the little paper balls all over the room, since they were all around me. You know, because I must've been flicking them at myself. The idiocy of that was compounded by the fact that she was a teacher with a limited grasp of English, teaching a subject filled with eight syllable words to a class that could already give barely a damn at all.

However, I do have one example that is most certainly "classroom ignorance". The fact that teachers still assign mandatory homework and will fail you if you don't turn it in (even if you display exemplary classroom participation and receive high test marks), despite study after study and numerous "experimental" education techniques that have proven the standard mandatory homework grading procedures to be, if anything, counter-productive.
Sir Games-A-Lot wrote:On a slightly different note, my teacher for Honors Computer Applications (AKA Micro$oft Offi¢e For Idiots) basically hates the curriculum so we get to do it how ever we want so long as we submit progress reports with screen captures and completed projects every so often. The irony here? Since nobody ever really cares or notices what I'm doing, all my progress reports are composed using AbiWord:P
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Post by DK » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:10 pm

benol wrote:
Skyone wrote:I was talking to Felino, in a joking matter anyways. :P
Sorry, I thought that was directed towards me, and poking fun at my inteligence.

Fun Poking Time :lol: Someone can't spell today. (Sorry, was saying to my mate you were our resident grammar Nazi and he found that gem :roll: )
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Post by benol » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:16 pm

DK wrote:
benol wrote:
Skyone wrote:I was talking to Felino, in a joking matter anyways. :P
Sorry, I thought that was directed towards me, and poking fun at my inteligence.

Fun Poking Time :lol: Someone can't spell today. (Sorry, was saying to my mate you were our resident grammar Nazi and he found that gem :roll: )
Sorry 'bout that. It was like, midnight when I typed that.
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Post by benol » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:33 pm

I have another story. In 8th grade there was this incredibly ditzy girl. She had once said she would melt Antarctica "so people could live there". When asked how she would accomplish this task, she replied "Using hairdryers and heaters." no joke.

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Post by vskid » Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:56 pm

Ecksem Diem wrote:Another classic incident was a teacher I had in third grade who, upon seeing me use the "rabbit ears" technique to tie my shoes as opposed to the "loop, swoop, and pull" technique, announced to the class that I tied my shoes "like a three year old". Uninteresting side note, I use both techniques these days, picking one based on how out of whack the length of either end of my laces are.
I don't really see how there is any difference. They both get the job done, and the way I see it, they're exactly the same thing. Just depends on how much you exaggerate each step.
Ecksem Diem wrote:However, I do have one example that is most certainly "classroom ignorance". The fact that teachers still assign mandatory homework and will fail you if you don't turn it in (even if you display exemplary classroom participation and receive high test marks), despite study after study and numerous "experimental" education techniques that have proven the standard mandatory homework grading procedures to be, if anything, counter-productive.
Homework is the main reason I don't get straight A's. Almost every test I take gets 90+%. I'm fine with short assignments (30 minutes to an hour, depending on the class, math and science are the only classes worthy of homework), but when you have a monster assignment that'll eat your life until its due and takes half a ream of paper, thats too much.

Last year, I failed pre-calculus. The teacher assigned us huge assignments, which I didn't do, but still managed to do decently on most of the tests. I'm retaking it this year, and my new teacher is awesome. He can be kind of boring (which is ok, since I already know most of it) and he gives pretty short assignments. For some reason, I'm fine spending an hour+ doing a test, but you give me an assignment that takes that long, I might get halfway through.

My mom told me that, according to a study, you only learn the first and last 15 minutes of class. If thats correct, I waste an hour in each of my classes every time I go to them. It makes sense for some classes, but others require time to fully explain things.
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Post by Ecksem Diem » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:12 pm

vskid wrote:My mom told me that, according to a study, you only learn the first and last 15 minutes of class. If thats correct, I waste an hour in each of my classes every time I go to them. It makes sense for some classes, but others require time to fully explain things.
What she said may have some credence to it; I'm pretty sure I've heard about the ideal class length being somewhere in the half hour area (although I believe that this was excluding higher education).

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Post by So Many Kinds of Bagels » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:54 pm

Felino wrote:Do americans learn any history other than their own?

In australia, we are taught that americans are stuck up and don't learn history of other countrys, myth or not?

Not that i subscribe to it. :wink:
In America, we have nationalism.

We take pride in our country. We don't female of the dog species about other countries.
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Post by vskid » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:00 pm

So Many Kinds of Bagels wrote:In America, we have nationalism.

We take pride in our country. We don't female of the dog species about other countries.
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Post by THON » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:47 pm

benol wrote:I have another story; in 8th grade there was this incredibly ditzy girl. She had once said that she would melt Antarctica "so people could live there". When asked how she would accomplish this task, she replied, "using hairdryers and heaters,". I am not joking.

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Post by Felino » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:17 am

vskid wrote:
So Many Kinds of Bagels wrote:In America, we have nationalism.

We take pride in our country. We don't female of the dog species about other countries.
Well said. :)
Thats why americans are ignorent of what goes on around them. War in iraq?
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Post by PeglegJimmy » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:26 am

Ok.. I need to know something important.. What the hell is a Europe..?

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Post by warmachine » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:17 am

In my high school experience (university now), half of my history studies were focused on the world in general (pre-Rome through the end of the eighteenth century) and the other half on America. The study we placed on the rest of the world was fairly thorough, considering it was a history of the entire planet's civilizations starting with Mesopotamia and ending with post-Revolutionary War England/America [think War of 1812]. That's a lot of history to cover in two years. On the other end of the spectrum, America, just as any other nation on Earth, has a very rich and detailed history. I assume in Australia [and in England, Germany, France, Russia, Brazil, India, Japan, and so forth] they do the same thing: teach you about your own country to a fairly precise level; after all, it is your country, you should take some pride in it.

As for those who suggest that America is haughty and self-absorbed about our history, we have a right to be. We were the first nation to create and implement a fully functional, irrevocable Constitution which gave incredible and inalienable rights to its people, rights which we gave our lives for time and time again to preserve. We literally revolutionized the way the world conceived democracy - to those who think I am being pompous, read Tocqueville's Democracy in America. Skipping forward to the twentieth century, we defined it. We invented the means to mass produce the automobile; we perfected atomic energy (for better or for worse); we invented the digital computer; we invented the television; we fought the Soviets to the Moon - and won [though we lost to them a couple of other space race firsts]; we pioneered the internet; and heck, we invented the functional airplane. Granted, we did a lot of bad things along the way as well; things that, in retrospect, weren't so great: the treatment of the native Americans; the bombing of Dresden; slavery; dome cars; Viet Nam [no disrespect to veterans]; and the PATRIOT Act, to name a few.

One day, America will fall from the limelight, and the next superpower will rise to glory. Maybe this will be China's century after all; who knows? As a sort of tangential conclusion, I guess you could say that despite the fact that there are a lot of moronic and ignorant Americans, we are not all that way - just as not all French people are snotty, not all Russians are Communist, and not all Irishmen are drunks. To suppose that we are all that way [or any other nation with its respective stereotype] is no better than being an ignorant and moronic American yourself.

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Post by Skyone » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:38 am

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Post by Felino » Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:07 am

Yer, close this and get it over with.

I like to proliferate stupid stereotypes because i think that i am better than some other nationality, get over it.

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