wiring a/v to RCA L2501

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wiring a/v to RCA L2501

Post by diggerdanh » Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:39 am

Okay, my soon to be portable hacked up atari is almost there. It is running on battery power, I have a controller hard-wired to it, and video and audio were working. I had spliced in RCA cables to A/V and plugged them up to a PS One screen to make sure everything was working well. I've been playing it like that for about a week now, but I decided it was time to go ahead and try to complete this project - or at least take another step.

I began by trying to wire up the A/V to my donor RCA L2501 screen. I pulled the boards and screen out of the case and then hooked up power and it ran fine still using it as a TV. I then attempted to wire up A/V from the Atari to the TV using Ben's description (see the bottom of this post) and this photo from his site:

<img src="http://www.classicgaming.com/vcsp/AVOut.jpg">

Video is working fine, but I am getting no audio - in fact the audio that I am getting is just static from whatever TV station the tuner decides to land on. Additionally, Ben talked about jumping the two tv disconnect leads so the TV knows to use the input A/V. I tried that, but it really messed up the video and gave a lot of audio static. He also mentioned something about running both to +5V - tried that, but same result. I think the problem is that the TV disconnect is not kicking in. BTW, I tried flip-flopping the audio and video connections, but they are definitely in the correct place as is - you can really tell the difference. If I turn off the Atari, then the TV runs fine - audio and video.

Any ideas?

I hava another L2501 sitting right here, I may go ahead and tear that down and try it instead.

This jack contains 2 things. The audio/video prongs (which connect to a standard stereo 1/8" mini-jack) and the disconnect switch consisting of a single pole with 2 terminals. If a jack is inserted, the center pole connects to the bottom terminal. If no jack is inserted, it connects to the top. On the TV, this is used to disconnect the channel receiver when you plug in an external a/v source. Therefore, if you don't actually plug a jack in, you'll need to solder the connections together so the TV THINKS a plug is in.

On my VCSp's, I use the TV's A/V jack as my A/V OUTPUT jack. (as shown above) In those, I run the TV's +5v though the jack's switch, to the normally closed poles (TV is ON). If a person inserts a jack (meaning they want to play on a big TV), it breaks the circuit and turns off the VCSp's screen.

On the above picture, you can see where the video and audio were connected to the jack. Typically there's 4 pins and then a ground. The outer 2 pins are A/V. Wire the audio and video wires coming from the Atari to those spots on the TV's board and you should be connected. But on the TV side which pin is audio and which is video? You have a 50/50 chance of getting it right, which in electronics means it WILL be wrong the first time you try, so solder it, then unsolder it and switch it around before you even test it (Murphy's Law)

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Post by diggerdanh » Sat Apr 10, 2004 6:15 am

Okay after some further examination I have realized that the AV jack from the RCA L2501 that I am using is a little different from what Ben has shown. Mine does not have 5 pins, it has 11.

(taking the picture above and turning it 90 degrees CCW)
1 at top, same as above - a/v ground
2 on the left where the picture indicates 1 pin for video
2 on the right where the picture indicates 1 pin for video
6 at the botton where the picture indicates 2 pins for TV disconnent.

I drew a diagram and did some poking and prodding with a muli-tester. I will post those soon.

Hopefully someone who has done some work with an RCA L2501 will come along here and give me a few hints.

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Post by diggerdanh » Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:07 am

Here is a diagram of what pins on the back of the board for the a/v jack from my RCA L2501 looks like. As you can see, it is slightly different from pen's picture above.

Image

Here are some of the readings that I got:

With no jack inserted:
1 - Ground
2 - 0 V
3 - 0 V
4 - ???
5 - ???
6 - ???
7 - ???
8 - 0 V
9 - Ground
10 - Ground
11 - ???

Pins 2,3 are condusive
Pins 4,5,6,7 are all condusive
Pins 1,9,10 are all condusive
Pins 8 and 11 are NOT condusive with any other pin.

I believe pin 5 is video as video from the Atari (Ms. Pac Man) shows pretty well on the screen when I have video wired to that pin.

With jack inserted:
1. Ground
2. Ground
3. ???
4. 2.5 V ???
5. Ground
6. ???
7. Ground
8. Ground
9. Ground
10. Ground
11. Ground

Pins - 1,2,5,7,8,9,10,11 are all condusive
Pins 3,4,6 are NOT condusive to any other pins.

My assumption above about pin 5 may not be valid, though, because as you can see pin 5 appears to go to ground when a jack is in.

The one thing that I have not been able to do is apply A/V through the mini-jack and test the values of the pins. This may prove to be the most valuable test as I could then test the voltages of each one. I don't have a mini-jack on-hand (except for a pair of headphones that I don't want to tear apart). I suppose that should be my next step.

Is any of this ringing a bell with anyone?

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Post by mindstein » Mon May 17, 2004 1:45 pm

I would do just as you said and start testing with an mini-jack. The mini-jack might be composit out so it would have 4 inputs. 1 ground and 1video and 2 audio. In Bens pic he is showing where he hooked his wires from, not where the oroginal wires were conected. Originaly the jack was video in, and in the pic Ben is showing how he made it a video out with a disconect for the noboard screen if you plug it into your big tv and use the out, the on-board screen turns off. If I were you I would do testing with a mini-jack befor proceeding. I am at the same place you are.
I have made my 4x4 board and have everything working. I have the output going through rca jacks so I can plug it in and test it on several tv's.
My problem is that it looks great on any tv, But when I plug it into my 3 inch pocket RCA (radio shack mod. 16-3065) I get a banding in the colors. Like if the background should be green it will show up as lighter and darker alternating bands. It is not the pocket tv because when I hook it up through a vcr to my unmodded 2600 the pic and colors on the lcd look great with no banding. So I'm stuck and am trying to figure out what the issue is.
If I were you I would make sure that their are no issues like I have before tearing into and connecting to your portable tv. I had done all my testing on my big tv and evrything looked great. So get a mini-jack and test before adding another component like the screen to the portable project. when you do get it hooked up let me know if you have the color banding issue. I am building the 4050 video mod to see if it fixes it.

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Post by diggerdanh » Tue May 18, 2004 5:20 am

Thanks for the reply. It reminded me that I still had that thing sitting on my workbench in need of my help.

So, since my last post I bought a couple of RCA to mini jack cables and I hooked one up to my DVD player and another up to my RCA LCD TV. After some poking and prodding, I figured out:

Pin 2 = Audio
Pin 5 = Video
Disconnect for mini jack input is either 3 & 4, or 6 & 8.

There doesn't appear to be separate pins for L & R audio, which would make sense since there is only 1 speaker in the TV.

I did some testing to hookup my Atari to the TV and video worked well. I also figured out that for some reason my audio is not working from my Atari board into my LCD TV. That confuses me, though, because it did work when I had it hooked up to a PSOne screen.

I did not run into any problems with banding of the colors. Everything looked fine. However, I did not hookup the board to the TV via a mini-jack, I just did so through the pins on the TV's board. Maybe you can give that a try.

If you want I can take a close up digital photo of my board and the wiring, the video in particular, so you can double check with what you have. I'm sure you have done everything correctly, though, since it is running fine on everything else. Good luck.

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Post by Guest » Thu May 20, 2004 11:36 am

So, did you get it working?

I've got the same TV with the same connector.

I removed the connector from the PCB, then figured out which pins were shorted/open and which were passed through, with or without the plug inserted. This may only be required if you still want the TV portion to work.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I still have the results I found and used. Reply if you need the information (it's at home; I'm not).

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Post by diggerdanh » Fri May 21, 2004 5:41 am

I haven't taken the time to get beyond where I was in the previous post. I know which pins are audio and video, but I'm just guessing at the pins used for the disconnect.

If you have more information, please feel free to post. Thanks.

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